Michelangelo

Mike Z: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/michel/pic18.htm

http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/michel/pic39.htm
What's interesting in this painting are the two figures to the right of the tree. It looks
like they are being condemed by an angel, which can only mean that they
represent humanity suffering due to Original Sin committed in the act next
to them. What puzzles me are the two figures on the top of the painting.
What are they supposed to be? Or what importance do they have in conveying
the message depicted by Michelangelo?

Kelli: The first sculpture that I looked at was the Pieta. I thought it was
amazing with its details and baffles me that it is made of stone. To look
at it and imagine the work it took to put the details in the stone is
unbelievable. It is a wonderful symbol to the Catholic community as well.
It is Jesus being embraced by his mother Mary after he gave his life for
us. He lies lifeless and looks so innocent with his mother looking down on
him sadly.
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/michel/pic8.htm

The second sculpture that I looked at was the "Battle of Hercules and the
Centaurs." I thought it was interesting because of the activities taking
place. It is a sculpture that jumps out at you with emotion. It is evident
that all of the men are dead laying draped over each other. It has taken
place after a battle and the men are lying lifeless after giving their all.
It also looks like some of them are reaching for each other or even hugging
each other. These men may have died with pain and these hugs make us feel
like they were trying to find comfort in each other. Some almost look more
limp than the others, being those who were reaching out for someone.
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/michel/pic1.htm

Kevin: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/michel/pic94.htm
I chose this work becuse I like the detail if what is going on in the painting. In the painting, people are turning to Jesus to be saved from eternal damnation. Jesus is paced in the center ofthe painting, with it looks like Mary his mother next to him.

http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/michel/pic11.htm
I like the statue of David, because I like the detail of the human body that he puts into this work. Looking at the statue, he almost looks alive, rather than a piece of stone carved in perfection.

Bellini

Kelly: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/bellini/pic2.htm
I really liked this pictures artwork. The detail and architecture on the
buildings are amazing. It looks like everyone has come out to see some sort
of ritual or gathering, and it doesn't look like anyone is in their houses.
All the people are focused on the water like its holy or something because
of the cross that the man is holding.

http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/bellini/pic4.htm
I chose this picture because of the detail and perfection of the altar. I
also really liked the architecture inside this church. It's very beautiful
and you can tell that a lot of the materials that are inside the church are
marble, tile, and beautifully handcrafted wood. All the people are just
standing around like its after a service or mass.

della Robbia

I like the works of Luca della Robia. I find them very interesting. In
the biography of Luca della Robia, we learn that he was originally going to
be a goldsmith. However, Luca della Robia decided to devote his time to
sculpture instead. He modeled during the day and drew at night. We are
also told in the biography that right after Luca della Robia turned
fifteen, he was taken to work with other sculptors on the monument that
Sigismondo di Pondolfa Malatesti rose to his wife. This is quite an
accomplishment for a child who just turned fifteen. We also learn that
Luca della Robia was not happy with his work that he was doing for the
cathedral. He felt that he was putting in way to much time on his works
and the product did not show for this. Luca della Robia decided to change
from working with bronze and marble to now working with clay. His works
with clay became a success. He found a way to add color to the sculptures
making his works even more popular. The demand for Luca della Robia to do
works for people was so high that he had to enlist his brothers to help him
out.
I think that my favorite work of Luca della Robia is his "Cantoria"
(http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/lrobbia/pic2.htm). I really
like the detail of this sculpture. A little blurb tells us next to the
picture of the work that the work stands over thirty-two feet tall. We are
then given three smaller pictures of some of the intricate details. I
think that my favorite part is the children singing. It is as if the
children are real and you can hear them singing. Another reason why I like
this work is because of the way the sculpture is put together. For
example, there are a lot of different sculptures that are combined to make
this one work. It shows that a lot of thought and effort went into making
this work.
A second work of Luca della Robia that I like is the "Tomb of Bishop
Federighi" (http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/lrobbia/pic12.htm).
I like this work because it is a combination of both sculpture and
painting. I like how the top and the bottom of the tomb are colorful
ornamentations. The paintings of the fruits and flowers look real. I also
like how the middle of the tomb is a sculpture. The details of this
sculpture, like the ones in "Cantoria" are very intricate. The images look
lifelike. I also like how two angels are holding the words on the grave.
It seems like the angels are floating in the air!

Correggio

Katelyn: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/corregg/pic3.htm
I thought this painting was amazing. There is so much going on
in it. All the detailed figures, and the way it goes up from level to
level. All the figures appear to be fighting, while one figure is in the
middle of it all, sort of floating toward or in the light.

Caitlyn: I particularly liked Correggio’s painting Assumption of the Virgin. This painting is showing “Our Lady” ascending into heaving among a multitude of angles and saints. This painting has so much detail because there are so many different people. Each person is in a different position. I was impressed by the way he used color and was able to make the middle look so bright. Also the people at the bottom are darker and progressively get lighter and lighter as you move up the painting. I was also impressed by the way he could make the painting look so 3 dimensional. http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/corregg/pic3.htm
The other painting I particularly liked was Lunette with Coronation of the Virgin. I was amazed by how real the people look and how he was able to capture every feature. I also like how he was able to subtlety make what looks like a halo over the Virgin’s head. http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/corregg/pic9.htm

Tintoretto

Jeremy: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/tintoret/pic1.htm
I chose this painting entitled "The Last Judgement" becasue it seemed odd
and a little creepy to me. It seems as though at the top of the painting
there is Jesus with his head down, as if he is dissapointed. Under him are
what seem to be angels and some of the angels have swords, I think. Then
at the bottom there is people that look to be in pain and suffering. I
don't know if the angels are causing this but the people look like they are
being punished for some reason.
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/tintoret/pic4.htm
This painting called "St. Mark Saving a Saracen from Shipwreck" was strange
to me at first, but after I did some research on St. Mark and the saracens,
I think that this painting symbolizes the deeds of St. Mark. He is shown
saving the only person that is dressed in white from a sinking boat. I
think the reason for the sinking is probably because God wanted it to
happen because of what the saracens believed in. But St. Mark is chosen to
introduce Christianity to the people by saving a helpless sailor.

Ghiberti

Stacy: I was particularly fascinated with Lorenzo’s work on the doors for the entrance

opposite the Office of Works of San Giovanni. He depicted twenty scenes from the

New Testament, which I thought was very impressive. The work is extremely detailed

and elegant, and would have to be admired by anyone that looked at it.
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/ghiberti/pic2.htm

2. The other work by Lorenzo that I enjoyed the most was “The Creation of

Adam”. This piece alone tells the entire story of Adam and Eve, and their sons Cain and

Abel. I think it is very dramatic that it is all done in bronze, and how the artist can make

such a flat metal come to life and depict human emotion.  

http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/ghiberti/pic19.htm

Botticelli

Willis: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/sandro/pic5.htm
I found this painting especially interesting because most of the other
images were of religious purpose. In this picture, a centaur is shown with
Pallus dragging it by the hair. I just found it strange that she was
showing the centaur mercy since in a religious sense centaurs are evils
which rape women.

http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/sandro/pic3.htm
This painting interested me because Botticelli made St. John look very
human. Most of the paintings of saints show them as perfect in physical
appearance. In this painting though, St. John looks weak and his facial
features have minor imperfections. It is also strange how you cannot tell
what is behind his head. It looks as if he's standing infront just a wall
of colors.

Fra Angelico

Dan:
Title: The Resurrection of Christ and the Women at the Tomb, and The
Mocking of Christ
Link:http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/angelic/pic6.htm
Fra Angelico, described as a perfect monk, painted many biblical images.
He excelled at a very young age and was fasinated with creating art. He
designed beautiful choir books. He became so popular in Italy that Pope
Nicholas V had him paint the chapel of the palace where the Pope hears
mass.
The first painting I chose is representative of the resurrection of
Christ. It is illustrated with women looking down into an empty tomb that
of which once held Christ, while a heavenly like figure, thus being Christ,
looms in the air above. He is depicted in all white with wings, and a cross
behind his head. The painting is so in depth that it almost looks like it
is a picture.
The second painting I chose because it struck me as odd. Here is a man who
is extremely religious painting a mockery of Christ. He has a ball of yarn
in one hand, with a blindfold on and a figure‚s head to the left of him
spitting water. There are random hands etched around him and there are two
religious people knelt down, and appear to have no interest in Christ.
Although extremely well done, this is a very odd picture and I‚m not sure I
understand the significance.

Titian

Keith: Artist: Titian (Tiziano Veccellio)
Painter of Cadore c. 1487/90 – 1576
The Transfiguration
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/titian/pic64.htm
This painting seemed to offer a more Aristotelian view of painting a significant figure and event such as the Transfiguration. I noticed that the people, including Christ, did not have perfect bodies, muscular and lean in form. The transcendent quality that Platonists held to be true is obsolete. The use of light is a topic that Barzun discusses briefly. Titian uses the theory that light emitting from a specific location cats shadows and dark areas. Unlike some painters who used unnaturally orientated light to amplify detail. The painting creates a more realistic feel due to the colors and shading. One question I find that is common in a lot of Titian’s works is the use of dark clouds to fill the background of his paintings, especially his religious paintings.
Self Portrait
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/titian/pic53.htm
This self-portrait help support the more humanistic ideals Titian intended to amplify in his paintings. Detail around the fingers, background, foreground, and areas progressively further away from the face are numb to detail and specific color. Titian’s face is bright and full of color. It is the most detailed part of the portrait, but still a quality exists about the elements in this painting: realism. Wrinkles are present, his beard is uneven, and his clothes appear off center. He represents himself in real life, not an ideal form or using a transcendent model. Titian also didn’t exaggerate his features by improving flaws found in his natural self.


Bellini(s)

Courtney: "Jacopo himself taught them diligently the principles of drawing, but
before long they both surpassed their father greatly. This rejoiced him
much, and he constantly encouraged them, saying that as the Tuscans boasted
that they grew strong by conquering each other, so he desired that Giovanni
should first conquer him, and then that he and Gentile should contend
together."
"Afterwards separating, they lived apart, but none the less did the two
sons re~erence each other, and both their father, praising each the other,
and each esteeming himself inferior, thus seeking to surpass one another no
less in kindness and courtesy than in the excellence of their art."
After reading this article on Jacapo it seemed as though many artist had
respect for one another,but at the same time there was a a fight to provide
the perfect picture, sculpture etc.
i thought it was also intresting how Jacapo instead of letting his pride
get the best of him admitted that his children were "better" artist then
him, he encouraged their talants and taught them all he knew.
"Not long after, some portraits having been taken to Turkey to the Grand
Turk by an ambassador, that emperor was so struck with astonishment that,
although the Mahometan laws prohibit pictures, he accepted them with great
goodwill, praising the work without end, and what is more, requesting that
the master himself be sent to him... He presented a beautiful picture to
the prince, who admired it much, and could not persuade himself to believe
that a mortal man had in him so much of the divinity as to be able to
express the things of nature in such a lively manner. Gentile painted the
Emperor Mahomet himself from life so well that it was considered a miracle,
and the emperor, having seen many specimens of his art, asked Gentile if he
had the courage to paint"
-- its intresting how even though it was against the law to have a
picture/portrait the emperor made an exception becasue of a picture.-- this
once again proves that the artisnas were treated with a lot of respect
during the rennisance. Even princes looked up and admired an artisans
talent.
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/bellini/pic1.htm
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/bellini/pic3.htm
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/bellini/pic7.htm
the first painting is done by Jacopo hiomself and the second painting is
done both by Jacopo and his son. as it was stated in the article, you can
see the difference in talant with in the two pictiures, the firstpicture
there is not alot of detail in the face or hair, its basic, in the second
picture that is done with his son there is intracit detail there is some
amazing architectre in the back round and there are many people in the
painting but each of them all though they are all alike they have detail,
they are all doing something whether it be looking back or talking amongst
themsleves.
the third painting I chose becasuse this was done by his son, and i thought
it was really amazing how a painter can give so much life to a person by
there facial expressions. Once again there is a emphasis on the
architecture as barzun stated in his chapter. alot of detail was put into
the backround of this picture as well as the second one which draws the
viewers eye to the picture even more.

Uccello

Michelle: I found this painting interesting in that the first thing i noticed was the large size and smooth contour lines of the horse's body. I liked how Uccello used the lighting to show muscle definition. What I also found interesting what something i had read in the Lives of the Artists: "In S. Maria del Fiore he also made a monument to Sir John Hawkwood, the English captain of the Florentines, who died in the year 1393, a horse of extraordinary size, with the captain upon it. The work was considered and really is very fine for pictures of that sort, and if Paolo had not made the horse moving his legs on one side only, which horses do not naturally do or they would fall, the work would be perfect." When I went back to look, I found these words to be true. It's odd how he put the horse in that position when it was not a realistic pose. Another intersting fact is that the horse is standing on a sarcophagus, supposedly containing a corpse. Why would Uccello do that? Who is supposed to be in there?

This painting I found to be interesting because the clock here looks quite different than the ones we're used to seeing today. Its fun to see how the simple idea of a clock changes over a few hundred years. Even the Roman Numerals are different than what we use now-- for instance, we use ix for 9 when he used viiii for 9. I also like how perfectly symmetrical the circle is, as it creates a sense of harmony, and how he added four small portaits in the four corners of the painting. It makes me wonder who these people were and why their faces were displayed on the clock. 

Erica: After looking through all of the pictures produced by many of the artists, I was most mesmerized by Paolo Uccello because of his simple colors and extremely exact perspective. He might have not been the most ornate painter, but his pieces were definitely the most influential.
The first piece that I choose was called, “The Creation of Adam,” and I think that I was mostly attracted to this piece because of the Christian background that it depicts. It shows God making Adam from the dirt of the earth, while using very earthly tones. If Uccello had used very ornate and vibrant colors, spiritual feeling of the painting wouldn’t be the same. After looking at all of the other paintings I realized that Uccello had the best technique in perspective, but his good friend Donatello doubted him and said, “this perspective of your makes you leave what is certain for the uncertain.” I think Donatello was trying to say that Uccello tried to leave the obvious not so obvious; but in my opinion I think Uccello made a clear and yet original point in this particular painting.
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/uccello/pic1.htm
The second piece that I choose is called, “The Original Sin,” by Paolo Uccello. I believe the reason why I am attracted to this piece is because of its originality and because “what is certain for the uncertain,” is now true. The reason is because there is a head painted in the tree of knowledge of good and evil and I am wondering why it was placed there. I am unable to answer this question because it appears that the head looks peaceful, not evil (like devil); therefore I am not certain why he has drawn a misshaped woman’s head in the tree. Another reason why I liked this painting was also because of the same reason above in the painting called, “The Creation of Adam”- its simple colors and yet sophisticated perspective. The body of Adam and Eve are drawn in perspective, but the tree is not drawn to its accurate size, and I wonder why Uccello made the bodies of Adam and Eve much larger. I think one of the reasons why Uccello used simple colors was to just portray a part of our history in an accurate degree. For example, if he had used bright blue and yellow, these colors would make the painting lose touch with its purpose and meaning.
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/uccello/pic2.htm

Ghiberti

Ericka: Links:
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/ghiberti/pic1.htm
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/ghiberti/pic3.htm
Reason:
I chose these two pieces of work by Lorenzo di Cione Ghiberti because the
use of bronze in his art work is beautiful and it is obvious that he put a
lot of time and dedication in what he did. After reading about Ghiberti, I
have come to respect him for his extreme care in constructing a bronze
subject to earn the right to construct a second pair of gates for S.
Giovanni in Florence. He was the only one of the artists to not only
flawlessly complete the task at hand, but to thoroughly polish his
creation. This proves to me that he was very appreciative of the talent he
had and took pride in his work and I believe these two works of art I have
chosen exhibit these qualities.

Correggio

http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/corregg/pic3.htm
Mellisa S: This painting is called "Assumption of the Virgin" and is by Antonio Allegri Correggio. I really liked the perspective in this painting. The way that he painted the scene as if we were looking up through a tunnel is very interesting and made me want to know more about what he was thinking when he painted it.

Giorgione de Castelfranco-Venetian painter, c.1476/8 - 1510


Nicole:
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/giorgion/pic2.htm -Adoration of the Shepherds- When I first looked at this painting the people in the lower right hand corner were the focal point. The people look realistic with the detail in clothing. Giorgione used shadow and shading to make these people have depth. In “Lives of the Artists” it said Giorgione does this by his own personal method, “He painted a man, turning his back to the spectators, and having at his feet some smooth water, in which the front view was reflected; on one side of him was a polished corslet which he had taken off, on which was plainly reflected his left profile, while on the other hand was a mirror, in which might be clearly seen his other side--a fanciful conceit which was highly admired”. This quote shows that Giorgione painted the whole human from all perspectives. What I find interesting about this painting is that Giorgione added more to his painting then the Shepherds. He adds a very detailed backer ground of the landscape of Italy. The colors are vibrant and are bended well. Perspective is used to make the people and landscape look more realistic.
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/giorgion/pic11.htm -Landscape at sunset- Giorgione did much of his work for the upper class and the Venetian aristocracy so I thought this picture would be one they would put in their homes. I find this painting interesting because the large brown cliffs on the right side of the page is off set by the blues and whites of the water and sky. The tall skinny tree in the center adds a vertical element to the painting and brings the eyes to focus on the detail that is around it. By adding figures to this landscape Giorgione shows that he is capable of multiple elements. I can tell it is almost dusk in this painting by the way Giorgione shades the large tree to the left, and makes it seem like a normal night in Italy. The shading of the lighter coolers in the sky sets the mood of the painting, one of calmness, and is a contrast to the dark colors in foreground.

Erin: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/giorgion/pic5.htm
I chose Giorgione da Castelfranco, and these paintings in particular
because of the style he uses. He uses a style that is modern for the
Renaissance and is much more realistic than a lot of the other artists. I
think that the painting of the old woman is so simple and natural, but at
the same time uses so much detail.
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/giorgion/pic2.htm
"Adoration of the Shepherds" also has this same sense of simplicity, but
his use of light in this painting struck me. The sun is shedding light
from the left side of the painting, and the shadowing is consistent for
this throughout the painting, but the people in the foreground seem to be
glowing, which I suppose shouldn't be surprising considering it is a
painting of the baby Jesus, but there just seems to be something more.
Another thing I noticed about this painting is the background. It is just
as beautiful and detailed as the foreground, but it's not readily noticed
because of what's going on in the foreground, also the blue sky and
mountains in the distance almost seem to be painted in an impressionist style.

Fra Angelico

http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/angelic/pic5.htm

I find this painting to be extremely interesting because Christ is
blindfolded and being hit with hands that have no bodies. There is also a
face with no body that is spitting on Jesus as well. I think that Jesus
the fact that Jesus is blindfolded in the painting is ironic because in the
Bible Jesus knew what was going to happen to him and who was going to
betray him.
In the painting Jesus has a stick in his hand which is the same kind of
stick that a hand is beating him with. In his other hand is he is holding
a yellow ball. Also, I find in interesting that there are two women
sitting in front of Jesus and they look innocent and sweet, yet they are
not helping him. One woman is reading something and the other one is
thinking. I find this picture to be mysterious, because I am not sure what
all the things in the picture represent.
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/angelic/pic6.htm
The Resurrection of Christ and the Women at the Tomb
I really like this painting because I think it sends a message to
not search for Jesus in the form of a body, but rather He is all around us,
looking down on us. Do not search for flesh, for you will not find it. It
also shows that Jesus is right by us if you look in the right places. By
looking in the tomb, the women miss him completely. The women have come to
anoint him, but there is no need to worry about the body after you die,
because your spirit lives on, or at least I think that is what the deeper
meaning of the painting is. I think that Jesus is holding a golden rod in
his right hand and in the other he is holding something else, but I can't
tell what it is.

Jen: The works that interested me the most were those of Fra Angelico. In The
Triumph of St Dominic Angelico uses bright colors that are attractive to
the eye. The painting looks like a piece of sheet music out of a choir
book, with all the people around playing the music or singing along.
Vasari says that the "choir books illuminated by his hand, which are so
beautiful that nothing could be better"
I think the colors that he used in this painting give the painting a joyful
tone. I‚m guessing the man in brown and gold is St. Dominic.
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/angelic/pic13.htm
Another painting that I found to be very interesting is The Mocking of
Christ. Christ is blindfolded and holding a stick in one hand and some
round object in the other. Surrounding his head there are hands that are
not attached to any bodies, along with a head not attached to a body. I‚m
not quite sure what the significance of those are.
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/angelic/pic5.htm
Vasari's Lives of the Artist says that Fra Giovanni Angelico believed that
" he who represents the things of Christ should always live with Christ."
In Vasari's Lives of the Artists Fra Giovanni Angelico is described as
being an excellent painter and illuminator. One thing that I found it very
interesting about Fra Giovanni Angelico is that "he might have lived
comfortably in the world, earning whatever he wished by his art, in which
he excelled when still young, but being by nature good and serious, for his
satisfaction and quiet, and also principally to save his soul, he entered
the order of the Preaching Friars."

Filippo Lippi

Karen: I chose Filippo Lippi because two of his pieces really moved me the most. I
enjoyed the Annalena Nativity because it reminded me of my younger years
when my chuch would set up nativity scenes around christmas time. Vasari
notes that Filippo Lippi painted this "For the nuns of the Annalena at
Florence he painted a panel picture showing Christ in the manger.." I-217.
One thing that stood out to me was the colors of the background were very
dull while the important people like baby Christ, Mary, and Joseph had a
hint of a bright hue to them to make them stand out.
The other painting I chose is the Coronation of the Virgin, Frescoes,
Spoleto Cathedral. I really enjoyed this one because of the vibrant colors
and the sun and the rainbow in the background. It comes off as cheerful to
me, with the angels surrounding.

Matt: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/lippi/pic9.htm
This is Filippo Lippi's Medici Nativity. I found this painting to be very
intresting because of its unique use of colors and concepts. The way he
portrays the nativity scene is very religious. He sticks to the renissance
theme of using religion within their works of art. Mary and the baby Jesus
are in the foreground of the painting but then at the top it shows God
almost cutting through thin air and appearing overhead. This is very
symbolic of the fact that God is watching over all of us and gave his only
son. The holy trinity is shown here as well, with god the father, jesus the
son, and the dove representing the holy spirit. Im kinda confused as to who
the two people on the left are though.
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/giorgio.vasari/lippi/pic6.htm
This is anouther one of his works entitled St Benedict instructs Maurus to
save Placidus. Once again he sticks with the renissance theme of religion
within their works of art. This painting shows two scenes one the before
and oen after. The initial scene is of St Benedict giving instructions to
Maurus to take Placidus away and have him blessed. Maurus does this by
baptising him in the second scene which is off to the upper right portion
of the painting. In this portion it shows the size of the people as being
larger than their surroundsings, this could have some significance?